Proteoform parsimony about metamorpheus

[trishorts]

I think this issue should be deleted. This should not be a function for metamorpheous. It is a function for PS. I can see this added back if we do dual bottom up/tod-down runs

[stefanks]

I wouldn't discard this just yet, even for bottom-up!
Consider a protein with unmodified sequence abc where a, b, and c are some amino acid seqeunces. Say that uniprot says that these could be modified into A, B, and C respectively. Then, say we identify a, b, c, and A. We then could, with reasonable certainty say we observed proteoforms abc and Abc.

[rmillikin]

This can happen very soon with the right workflow:
Bottom-up/GPTMD -> top-down to confirm specific proteoforms -> narrow list of GPTMD-assigned PTMs to those proteoforms seen by top-down -> bottom-up with the new restricted database and "treat modified peptides as unique" checked

But narrowing the list of GPTMD-assigned PTMs should probably happen in PS, I agree

[stefanks]

Almost! You also need to distinguish modified proteins from each other

[rmillikin]

Right, you would need a separate database entry for each proteoform

[stefanks]

That's one way. But even without that, look at my example above. That does not require prior knowledge of the proteoforms!

[trishorts]

problematic

[stefanks]

Yes, there are very many cases where it becomes problematic. But if there are even a few that can be done, why not have it?

Besides, in this case, all of those would simply get bunched up together in one proteoform ambiguity group.

[stefanks]

And what about this: Say on peptide C there could have been two Phosphorylations. And say we observed an unmodified C and a C modified with two phosphos. In this case we get some "proteoform-level" information, in a sense that we know that either both phosphorylations are present, or neither one is present.

[leahvschaffer]

With sequence coverage what it is I wouldn't want to assume that we have a proteoform with that one mod even if we only saw one modified peptide from that protein... could easily be another mod or a truncated protein. I've found modified peptides useful when we have the intact mass -- then you can say you saw the modified peptide and know that the intact mass exists with that one mod. Makes more sense to do this proteoformsuite, which at this point in time can already match up peptides with corresponding theoretical based on accessions.

[trishorts]

This issue in particular will benefit from using mutliple protease data in a single analysis.