Incremental swift compilation about rules_apple

[jgavris]

+1 Here in case the discussion continues...I understand Swift's compilation model presents unique challenges :) Same with @keith, we have a fairly large Swift application, and for development, incremental builds are the only way we could be productive. We plan on adopting bazel for all the other dependencies, and relying on Xcode for Swift.

[dmishe]

Bazel in general does not support this. Each build gets a clean sandbox, so keeping previous object files is not possible. Changing the way bazel works is a much harder problem, sadly.

That said, we currently use WMO on debug builds to speed up compilation. You can put "-wmo" into copts of a swift_library target to do that.

[keith]

Since our project is entirely written in Swift, even wmo builds take minutes, where incremental builds take < 10 seconds normally. Because of that I think it would never be feasible for us to use a tool that didn't support Swift incremental compilation.

I'm surprised to hear that bazel has no support for this for any language? But I guess since this isn't really feasible to change we can close this. Thanks for the context!

[allevato]

I'm going to reöpen this issue because I think it highlights an important area where we (that is, Bazel) could do better, even if we don't have any immediate clean solutions yet. I'll give it an appropriately low priority.

FWIW, sandboxing can be disabled for individual actions (set nosandbox to True in the execution requirements), but Bazel's hermeticity requirements would imply that you should be able to pass those .o files from previous builds as inputs to subsequent builds, and you have no guarantee that those files will exist at any time (e.g., bazel clean).

@dmishe likely has more info or possible workarounds.

[dmishe]

Right, one way to achieve this is to make swift_library output intermediary files into a location outside of bazel tree, say, /tmp. This way bazel will only cleanup the final products, but swiftc will see previously built objects and use that. You will also need to add a global dependency map output (see https://github.com/apple/swift/blob/master/docs/Driver.md#output-file-maps) to make this work.

The other, more sophisticated but also not hermetic, approach is to use a relatively new Bazel feature called persistent workers. This is in fact something we wanted to use in the long run. Let's keep this issue open to track this.

[jerrymarino]

First off, kudos to getting swift compiling under bazel 👍 I'm using swift for some small projects - my builds are running exclusively through Xcode, where swiftc's incremental compilation seems to work. I'm wondering if bazel can provide any speedup's over Xcode.

I had a minute to look at the swift rules this morning, based on my ( weak ) understanding of bazel, I think it may work nicely with swifts compilation model. Have you considered:

• breaking up the swift compilations into individual targets, where each compilation outputs a partial swift model.
• creating a target that depends on all of the partial targets, and simply links all of the partial modules together.

I think a design similar to this could leverage bazel's hermaticness, caching, and incremental build abilities. This is just speculation: I haven't had a chance to implement this yet.

Tangentially related, I was looking at some of the work the Swift team has done for Swift PM. They have been implementing a quite nice build system, lower level build system, which should also do incremental builds. I wonder how llb overlaps with bazel.

[kastiglione]

Is there a misunderstanding here? According to the user manual, incremental builds are a "primary goal" of Bazel: https://docs.bazel.build/versions/master/user-manual.html#correctness

I made a small cc_library with two files, and when I changed one of the files, only that one file was recompiled (according to --subcommands). This is what I would expect, but this issue is saying Bazel doesn't support this. 🤔

[sergiocampama]

I believe dmishe was referring more about bazel's model being different enough to Swift's model to make incremental builds for Swift incompatible.

[keith]

Are there any related issues elsewhere about supporting the Swift-style incremental compilation model? It sounds like kotlin and rust might also benefit from support for this in bazel, although I'm not 100% sure they use exactly the same model.

[allevato]

Since the swift_library in rules_apple is deprecated in favor of bazelbuild/rules_swift, I've opened an issue over there to track this: bazelbuild/rules_swift#48