Locative and dative can take comparative suffix sometimes about apertium-tat

[jonorthwash]

Are these real locative forms, or are they fixed adverbial and adjectival forms?

Also, where do you see dative forms?

[mansayk]

Locative

echo 'өстәрәк' | apertium -d apertium-tat tat-morph
^өстәрәк/*өстәрәк$^./.<sent>$

Ablative

echo 'өстәнрәк' | apertium -d apertium-tat tat-morph
^өстәнрәк/*өстәнрәк$^./.<sent>$

Dative

echo 'өскәрәк' | apertium -d apertium-tat tat-morph
^өскәрәк/өскәрәк<adv>$^./.<sent>$

[mansayk]

Possible:

көньяктарак
эчкәрәк

Not possible:

китаптарак

[IlnarSelimcan]

However, I suggest adding <loc><comp>, <abl><comp> and <dat><comp> forms for all nouns, without trying to classify them manually. See tests/morphophonology/issue5.tsv. @ftyers @jonorthwash @mansayk ok?

[mansayk]

I agree with @IlnarSelimcan.

[mansayk]

There is another category taking these affixes sometimes:
кысыбрак, күтәребрәк...

^басып/бас<v><tv><gna_perf>/бас<v><tv><prc_perf>/бас<v><iv><gna_perf>/бас<v><iv><prc_perf>$^./.<sent>$

[mansayk]

Some pronouns accepting this affix:

ничегрәк
болайрак
тегеләйрәк
шулайрак
алайрак

ниндирәк
шундыйрак
мондыйрак
андыйрак

безнеңчәрәк
сезнеңчәрәк
аларчарак
боларчарак
шуларчарак

[mansayk]

Postpositions:

кебегрәк
буендарак
буенарак
буйлабрак
каршынарак
каршындарак
сыманрак
тибындагырак
турындарак
хакындарак
хакындагырак
шикеллерәк

[mansayk]

Adverbs:

башкача
гаҗәебрәк
тирәнтенрәк
тулысынчарак
шыпыртрак
җиңелчәрәк

and many others

[IlnarSelimcan]

This all belong to issue5.tsv test case.

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[jonorthwash]

Some pronouns accepting this affix:

These aren't really pronouns—or maybe at best they're adverbial forms of pronouns.

However, I suggest adding <loc><comp>, <abl><comp> and <dat><comp> forms for all nouns, without trying to classify them manually.

I don't know that this is the best approach if some are truly ungrammatical. What do the Tatar grammarians say about this? Is there some particular distribution of which forms are okay and which aren't?

[mansayk]

These aren't really pronouns—or maybe at best they're adverbial forms of pronouns.

Currently Tatar tagger marks them as <prn>, for example:

бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<nom%>:бу CLITICS-INCL-COP ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<gen%>:моның CLITICS-NO-COP ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<dat%>:моңа CLITICS-NO-COP ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<acc%>:моны CLITICS-NO-COP ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<abl%>:моннан CLITICS-INCL-COP ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<loc%>:монда CLITICS-INCL-COP ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<px%>:моныкы%{n%} CASES ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<loc%>:мондагы ATTR-SUBST ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<sim%>:мондый CASES ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<sim%>%<px3sp%>:мондые%{n%} CASES ; ! FIXME CHECK мондый%{I%}%{n%} instead?
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<sim%>%<pl%>:мондыйлар CASES ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<sim%>%<pl%>%<px3sp%>:мондыйлары%{n%} CASES ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<adv%>:болай CLITICS-INCL-COP ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<qnt%>:бу% кадәр CLITICS-NO-COP ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<qnt%>:монча CLITICS-NO-COP ; ! Dir/LR
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<px3sp%>:монысы%{n%} CASES ;
бу%<prn%>%<dem%>%<px3sp%>:бусы%{n%} CASES ; ! Dir/LR