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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024 1

Today, all the namespaced objects sent from Config Sync to cli-utils have the metadata.namespace field explicitly set.
Is it reasonable to expect this from other users of cli-utils ?

cli-utils already requires this.

This problem here is with apply-time-mutation annotations which were initially designed to support inferring the namespace of dependencies from the namespace of the dependent object. However, it does look like disabling implicit namespace resolution for apply-time-mutation is the easier path forward, and would align with the requirement on the objects themselves.

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

Explicit dep with depends-on works, so it's just apply-time-mutation that doesn't (weird!).

$ kpt live apply
namespace/test unchanged
1 resource(s) applied. 0 created, 1 unchanged, 0 configured, 0 failed
pod/pod-a created
1 resource(s) applied. 1 created, 0 unchanged, 0 configured, 0 failed
pod/pod-b created
1 resource(s) applied. 1 created, 0 unchanged, 0 configured, 0 failed

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

apply-time-mutation works if the source namespace is specified. So it's just the implicit namespace resolution that breaks graph sorting.

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

Root cause:
graph.Sort only uses mutation.ReadAnnotation, which returns an empty Namespace, if not specified by the user. The implicit namespace resolution is performed in ApplyTimeMutator.Mutate.

Unfortunately, the easy solution of moving implicit namespace resolution into mutation.ReadAnnotation doesn't work, because it needs to know whether the Source and Target are both namespaced. This would require using the mapper to resolve the resource schemas. If we try to use the mapper in graph.Sort it would fail for resources that haven't had their CRD applied yet.

So this is another issue with mapping lookups happening up front instead of lazily as-needed. Changing that, to resolve sort order after every apply, would be a significant change...

Also unfortunate is that we can't reject SourceRefs without an explicit namespace without knowing if the resource is namespaced or not...

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

Possible workarounds:

  1. Resolve mapping up front, if possible, and error at apply time, if not
    • Add a ResourceReference field to specify if the resource is cluster or namespace scoped.
    • Perform implicit namespace resolution before sorting (to avoid needing to inject the mapper into graph.SortObjs).
    • If there's no schema and the namespace is empty and the resource is namespace scoped, it will still error at apply time, but all other cases will work as expected.
  2. Disable implicit namespace resolution
    • Error at apply time if namespace is empty and resource is namespace scoped (makes the apply error more actionable, but requires namespace to always be specified)
  3. Change sorting to only sort one stage at a time (dynamic task scheduling).
    • Add a SortTask after every Apply+Wait and Delete+Wait. This new task would determine the next tasks to execute and add them to the task queue.
    • Replace graph.SortObjs with a graph.Next (or similar) that just returns the next UnstructuredSet to apply/delete.
  4. Resolve implicit namespace by checking against the UnstructuredSet being sorted,
    • Lookup the resource both without the namespace and with the namespace, to see if there is a match.
    • If there's no match, skip adding the graph edge and log a warning
    • This only works for dependencies in the resource set (not external deps: #412)

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haiyanmeng avatar haiyanmeng commented on August 15, 2024
  1. Disable implicit namespace resolution

Today, all the namespaced objects sent from Config Sync to cli-utils have the metadata.namespace field explicitly set.
Is it reasonable to expect this from other users of cli-utils ?

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haiyanmeng avatar haiyanmeng commented on August 15, 2024

cli-utils already requires this.

I don't think this is true. I tested with kapply built from the master, which doesn't require the metadata.namespace field of a Deployment object to be explicitly set.

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

The Applier runs the Valdator which runs the validateNamespace method, passing in the list of CRDs in the set and the mapper.

The valdiator should error if it's namespace-scoped with no namespace or cluster-scoped with a namespace.

https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/cli-utils/blob/master/pkg/object/validate.go#L124

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haiyanmeng avatar haiyanmeng commented on August 15, 2024

Accurately speaking, Applier.Run requires the metadata.namespace field of a namespaced object to be explicitly set.

kapply does not require this, since it sets the metadata.namespace field of a namespaced object if it is missing.

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

Thanks for clarifying. I don't know if having kapply do that really helps us test, but it might be trying to duplicate kpt and kubectl behavior.

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

Short term fix is to disable implicit namespaces, since they don't work as-is: #482

Long term fix is unknown.

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