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haiyanmeng avatar haiyanmeng commented on August 15, 2024 1

EliminationTimeout does not sound quite right to me. I would rather we keep DeleteEvent/DeleteTimeout and get rid of PruneEvent/PruneTimeout.

BTW, I don't think this is very high priority.

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

An alternate option here is to remove DeleteTimeout/PruneTimeout completely and replace them with the existing ReconcileTimeout.

@haiyanmeng @ash2k Would this be acceptable for your use cases or do you need the timeouts to remain separate?

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ash2k avatar ash2k commented on August 15, 2024

@karlkfi Appreciate the ping.

Conceptually it may make sense for each logically separate "thing"/step to have a separate timeout. I don't know if it's hard or easy to achieve this, haven't checked the code. In practice though my program passes a context to the applier run and cancels it when it needs to stop the applier (when program is terminating or when another set of objects need to be synced instead of the one that is currently being applied).

An alternate option here is to remove DeleteTimeout/PruneTimeout completely and replace them with the existing ReconcileTimeout.

Are you suggesting ReconcileTimeout to cover the whole process or each phase/step would use a separate timeout set to ReconcileTimeout? I think ideally we would have both, but again I don't know if it's difficult/worth the effort.

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

We already allow a global applier timeout using context.WithTimeout (which it sounds like you're using already).

The proposal is either:
A) Rename DeleteTimeout & PruneTimeout to EliminationTimeout. This would keep EliminationTimeout distinct from ReconcileTimeout.
B) Replace DeleteTimeout & PruneTimeout with ReconcileTimeout. This would combine the WaitTask timeouts to all be the same name.

DeleteTimeout & PruneTimeout both come from the WaitTask, one from the destroyer and one from the applier, so the differentiation is already confusing.

Even if we do either of these, there's still a difference between the DeleteEvent (destroyer) and PruneEvent (applier), even though they both come from the PruneTask. I would like to make them both a DeleteEvent for consistency, but I wasn't sure I wanted to make both API changes at the same time.

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

Agreed on it being low priority. It was just surfaced as tech debt from one of my previous PRs.

The problem with the current naming is:

  1. Inconsistency (Delete vs Prune, when both perform the same DELETE call to the cluster)
  2. Inaccuracy (The timeout isn't for the DELETE call to the cluster but actually waiting until the poller performing GET calls verifies that the object is NotFound).

If I were setting a DeleteTimeout, I would expect it to include the DELETE call, but it does not. It only includes the waiting afterwards. This has come up as being confusing several times when trying to explain how the applier actually works.

Perhaps you would prefer WaitTimeout for both applying and deleting?

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karlkfi avatar karlkfi commented on August 15, 2024

Ok, so new proposal: How about we just use "Reconcile[d]" for both ideas. This is what I've done for the new WaitEvent operations in #463

So this would mean combining the reconcile/prune/delete timeout configs into one ReconcileTimeout, and treating Apply -> Current and Delete -> NotFound as effectively the same process.

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