Operating on 433MHz about lorawangateway

[JaapBraam]

I've never tried.

The sx1276 I use should be programmed just like the sx1278, it is the same datasheet...

Do you see the text "Unknown radio:' in the logging? If you don't, communicating with your SX1278 is working correctly. It is a check of the chip type, and according to the datasheet it should return 0x12 for SX1276/77/78/79.

I would expect that it should just work...

[JaapBraam]

I just did a quick test: I configured a gateway to listen on 433.175Mhz and hacked a node to use 433.175Mhz for channel 0 too.

It seems to work for my SX1276 based gateway... Even with 868Mhz antennas on my gateway and node...

rxpk 018d260018fe34f42fde9937 message {"rxpk":[{"rssi":-118,"stat":1,"modu":"LORA","rfch":1,"tmst":715774550,"datr":"SF7BW125","lsnr":-5,"time":"2017-04-07T20:29:58.580898Z","codr":"4/5","data":"AIMBAPB+1bNwP7ZyC5VaCgBv7b90PJM=","freq":433.175,"chan":0,"size":23}]} length 239
Are you sure your node is sending messages? Do you see anything in the log (rx timeouts etc)?

[JaapBraam]

I've looked into it: TTN does not support 433Mhz (yet).

I guess you have to use another network, or run your own, to use a 433Mhz gateway and nodes.

[mogyoros]

Hi @JaapBraam ,

Thanks for your reply.

Glad you quickly tested yourself, that software wise it should work. I was on the same impression.

When I misconfigured the NSS setting in the Config.lua, yes I saw the Unrecognized transceiver = 255 message, but after finding out the correct naming convention, this has disappeared.

You are right, I am not using it on TTN, but on the openlora backend, which supports the 433 MHz frequency band networks also. But at this stage this is not relevant, since first I should see the above rxpk packets on the gateway, which would state radio wise I am ok.

In the gateway I see timeouts, but nothing more:

rx timeout 7 rssi 57
rx timeout 9 rssi 53
rx timeout 7 rssi 57
rx timeout 9 rssi 60

> statistics()
Statistics
Uptime 0 days, 11 hours, 46 minutes, 36 seconds
Memory free 11280 bytes
Rx packets 0
Rx packets OK 0
Rx timeouts 1114
Rx forwarded 0
Tx packets 0
Tx packets sent 0
Ack ratio 99.9% (9888/9892)

I suspect my node module (RN2483) is sending messages, beacuse on 868 MHz it did (with an another gateway on the other end), just reconfigured it to use the 433MHz band, and enabled only one channel, channel 0 for 433.175 MHz operation.

Do you have an idea, how more intensive logging can be enabled, so maybe I can find the reason of not seeing the packets?
Thanks. Regards, Tamás

[mogyoros]

Strange... now I set the gw to listen on a single SF, SF7, and I can see the packets...
Of course tx packet is not good, because the backend is not yet modified to use 433MHz settings for this gateway. So seems that I have a problem with the allSF function...

rxpk 01bb2f00600194f42f0fb1ab message {"rxpk":[{"rssi":-46,"stat":1,"modu":"LORA","rfch":1,"tmst":12829931,"datr":"SF7BW125","lsnr":10,"time":"2017-04-08T07:35:28.735724Z","codr":"4/5","data":"AAgHBgUEAwIBmsQbAAujBACSXfhbSZM=","freq":433.175,"chan":0,"size":23}]} length 237 txpk {"txpk":{"imme":false,"tmst":18829931,"freq":869.525,"rfch":0,"powe":14,"modu":"LORA","datr":"SF12BW125","codr":"4/5","ipol":true,"size":17,"data":"IFLGJeDDd0yP9yL1eBp1YTg="}} txpk_ack {"txpk_ack":{"error":"NONE"}} transmitPkt 15937 10838 -1 869525000 192 112 2 64 14 17

[JaapBraam]

Have you changed the antenna on your node for a 433Mhz one? What antenna are you using on your gateway?

On the gateway, there is not much extra logging you can enable, because it already works on the limit timing-wise.

A good test to do is to try listening only to a single SF (CONFIG.GW_SF='SF7'). This mode is much less critical timing wise.

[JaapBraam]

The packet I received on 433Mhz was on a gateway in 'ALL' SF mode. So it can work...

The rx timeouts in the logging indicate that LoRa signals were detected, but too late.

Maybe the frequency you configured is also used for other transmissions in your area. The allSF mode depends on RSSI measurements and thus will react to any signal present. In single SF mode the SX chip will only look for LoRa signals...

If you use another frequency you might have more luck...

[JaapBraam]

Or you can make your gateway less sensitive by increasing the RSSI threshold used for signal detection.

https://github.com/JaapBraam/LoRaWanGateway/blob/master/src/SX1276.lua#L366
and
https://github.com/JaapBraam/LoRaWanGateway/blob/master/src/SX1276.lua#L406

This will probably decrease the range of your gateway on higher SF's, but will also make it more tolerant for interfering signals.

[mogyoros]

Well the antenna is the one shipped with the module. This is a non well known and used, chinese module. Bought it cause it has SMA connector on the module and they shipped with antenna for a bit less than 10 USD.

For the first trial I will make expriments on single SF, since that seems to work for now. After modifying the backend to use in the downstream RX1 windows I could successfully join. :-)

rxpk 01b04000600194f42f0fb1ab message {"rxpk":[{"rssi":-46,"stat":1,"modu":"LORA","rfch":1,"tmst":1151886069,"datr":"SF7BW125","lsnr":9,"time":"2017-04-08T09:06:02.757319Z","codr":"4/5","data":"AAgHBgUEAwIBmsQbAAujBACbRCCae70=","freq":433.175,"chan":1,"size":23}]} length 238 txpk {"txpk":{"imme":false,"tmst":1156886069,"freq":433.175,"rfch":0,"powe":14,"modu":"LORA","datr":"SF7BW125","codr":"4/5","ipol":true,"size":17,"data":"IDUBkmN0mRNCjT/y9f289p4="}} txpk_ack {"txpk_ack":{"error":"NONE"}}

And sending packets also works solid rock.

So you're saying that when in allSF mode, the receiver is configured to listen to any kind of radio modulation, not only LoRa modulation on the configured frequency?
That would explain why I saw with the other single channel gateway implementation from things4u also - which I am also looking at at the moment - lots of detects and then timeouts are in 868.1MHz...

Can't we configure the LoRa module to listen to only LoRa modulated packets and trigger to the DIO handlers?

[mogyoros]

One more thing. I mentioned that I am using an ESP12E, but this is a plain ESP8266 board, not an nodemcu built development board. Maybe this is causing issues deep in the nodemcu firmware?
Seems to me something related to the DIO1, since in single SF mode only DIO0 is used, but in allSF DIO0&DIO1...

[JaapBraam]

In allSF mode, it uses RSSI detection to decide if trying a higher SF is useful. If there are other signals above this threshold present it will make the gateway try the higher SF's increasing the chance to miss the preamble of a lora message... When the preamble is missed, it usually results in a rx timeout...

[JaapBraam]

I've worked with 'bare' esp8266's too, and have never experienced differences from the Wemos d1 mini's I'm using now...

[mogyoros]

Indeed, following your suggestion to increase sensitivity, as advised, I have modified the SX1276 lua script to a lower RSSI (38). Now in allSF mode the gateway is able to catch the LoRa modulation radio signals, and gateway forwards packet.
Thanks for your kind help!
(actually currently I am using on 867.3 MHz with the SX1278 module with 433MHz antenna connected, and still it works...)

[MehrdadBabazadeh]

Hi. I also have a problem with 433 MHz using my SX1276MB1MAS. The maximum node-to-node communication range that I can reach for 868, 915 and 433 MHz are 500 m, 500 m, and 20 m respectively.
I see that the part of the library of sx1272 for 433 MHz includes just four following channels:
case CH_00_433:
case CH_01_433:
case CH_02_433:
case CH_03_433:
It looks like that the library doesn't cover all options for 433 that might be the reason for the short-range issue.
Is there anyone who has the improved library to use 433 MHz by the SX1276?
Any help is really appreciated