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hott avatar hott commented on September 26, 2024
and/or vs smash/wedge

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txa avatar txa commented on September 26, 2024

I have just written the section on propositions as types where I avoided using the logical symbols. Mainly because I didn't want to introduce another layer between the informal presentation and formal proof objects in type theory. But the fact that \wedge and \vee are used in homotopy theory adds another reason.

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The traditional logical notation \land and \lor clashes with the traditional homotopy-theoretic notation for smash products and wedges. Is this irredeemable? What if we just wrote out the words "and" and "or"?


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awodey avatar awodey commented on September 26, 2024

your section on PAT is very nice!

Steve

On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Thorsten Altenkirch [email protected] wrote:

I have just written the section on propositions as types where I avoided using the logical symbols. Mainly because I didn't want to introduce another layer between the informal presentation and formal proof objects in type theory. But the fact that \wedge and \vee are used in homotopy theory adds another reason.

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Subject: [book] and/or vs smash/wedge (#48)

The traditional logical notation \land and \lor clashes with the traditional homotopy-theoretic notation for smash products and wedges. Is this irredeemable? What if we just wrote out the words "and" and "or"?


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mikeshulman avatar mikeshulman commented on September 26, 2024

I realized that technically, there is no conflict, if we apply the logical
symbols only to hprops, since the smash and wedge apply only to pointed
types. The only pointed hprop is 1, and we have 1 /\ 1 =1 and 1 / 1 = 1
for both meanings of /\ and /. So the notation is never ambiguous. (-:
On Mar 28, 2013 7:27 PM, "Thorsten Altenkirch" [email protected]
wrote:

I have just written the section on propositions as types where I avoided
using the logical symbols. Mainly because I didn't want to introduce
another layer between the informal presentation and formal proof objects in
type theory. But the fact that \wedge and \vee are used in homotopy theory
adds another reason.

From: Mike Shulman <[email protected]<mailto:
[email protected]>>
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Date: Thursday, 28 March 2013 16:35
To: HoTT/book <[email protected]mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [book] and/or vs smash/wedge (#48)

The traditional logical notation \land and \lor clashes with the
traditional homotopy-theoretic notation for smash products and wedges. Is
this irredeemable? What if we just wrote out the words "and" and "or"?


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andrejbauer avatar andrejbauer commented on September 26, 2024

When we introduce the logical notation, we can make a remark that it possibly clashes with the homotopy-theoretic ones, but we're never going to use both of them at the same time. The logical notation is useful for chapters 9 and 10.

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