Refreshes table view after reading article about newsyc

[mrknmc]

I second this, it wasn't this way before and I think it's purposeless.

[grp]

What would you expect to happen? I don't think not reloading would be a better experience, especially if you've been outside the app for days.

[Maximus-]

I would hope that it wouldn't refresh without me asking for it to do so. There's interesting articles I haven't gotten to yet, which of course I'd like to without composing a reading list or a Pocket type thing. It's also quite obnoxious if you've loaded more pages of articles (infinite scrolling), and i'm in the middle of the list, and you load new feed.It puts me some random location in the list.
Thanks

[grp]

I don't see how that is better. You're either seeing old content (up to hours or days old) or it shows the latest info — I'd assume that the latest is better?

[Maximus-]

Latest is better, but I wasn't finished reading the old stories.

[grp]

I don't know how news:yc could detect when you are "finished" reading the old stories. news:yc simply shows the latest content.

[mrknmc]

Here's what annoys me about this:

Say you scroll the list and only read entry headlines. Then you find an interesting article and spend a few minutes reading it or its comments. After that you go back to the list and it refreshes. But now you are no longer sure whether there are any new links above your current position. This means that I usually go back to the top of the list and start again.

Maybe this was just my workflow but I liked it way more before.

[Maximus-]

I honestly read an "Ask HN", after a few seconds of reading comments, went back to the feed, and it reloaded all data and i lost my position in the news feed, and new feed was loaded. How about instead of it trying to detect things, i tell it when i need new stories. I hate software that tries too hard to make my life easier. 99% of the time it misses and ends up being annoying. It's similar to the fallacy of assumption. It's really my deciding factor on wether or not software is usable. Software and software companies making decisions on behalf of it's users is something every company is doing wrong. Gmail, in my opinion one of the best email services is constantly trying to change and improve it's already great client. They're making it worse. Twitter, as well.

I understand this is something you support, fine. All i'm asking then is to make it optional. I bought this client because it was the best among all the rest. I'd like to keep it that way. I'll do the changes in the next few days if you do not.
Sorry for the rant.
Max

[newsyc]

Showing a days old list of stories if you don't manually refresh is not a
feature, that's a bug. I'm not going to add bugs into news:yc and make it
more difficult to use.

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On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Maximus [email protected] wrote:

I honestly read an "Ask HN", after a few seconds of reading comments, went
back to the feed, and it reloaded all data and i lost my position in the
news feed, and new feed was loaded. How about instead of it trying to
detect things, i tell it when i need new stories. I hate software that
tries too hard to make my life easier. 99% of the time it misses and ends
up being annoying. It's similar to the fallacy of assumption. It's really
my deciding factor on wether or not software is usable. Software and
software companies making decisions on behalf of it's users is something
every company is doing wrong. Gmail, in my opinion one of the best email
services is constantly trying to change and improve it's already great
client. They're making it worse. Twitter, as well.

I understand this is something you support, fine. All i'm asking then is to
make it optional. I bought this client because it was the best among all
the rest. I'd like to keep it that way. I'll do the changes in the next few
days if you do not.
Sorry for the rant.
Max

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[Maximus-]

Then make it a setting. It's not days old lists, it's minutes old lists.

[newsyc]

Adding settings is simply never the correct solution. news:yc will not
introduce additional settings or complexity for this case.

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On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:28 PM, Maximus [email protected] wrote:

Then make it a setting. It's not days old lists, it's minutes old lists.

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[Maximus-]

Ok. Are you fine with me starting my own fork to create my own solution?

[grp]

I am still confused as to what the issue is here. If it is only minutes
since you selected the story, then the list of articles should not have
changed significantly. Thus, there should not be an issue.

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On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:31 PM, Maximus [email protected] wrote:

Ok. Are you fine with me starting my own fork to create my own solution?

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[Maximus-]

What is the time period between each refresh interval?
I had loaded stories today, and I was scrolling through them, selected one, read a few comments, and when I went back to look at the feed, it within seconds had loaded new stories and I had lost my position.

[newsyc]

The stories refresh when you view the page. news:yc protects your scrolling
position and will not affect it when the page is refreshed. If, as you
state, you have not been away from the page for long, the page will not
likely have changed and you will see the exact same information.

I fail to see how there is any issue here and no changes will be planned
for the future.

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On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Maximus [email protected] wrote:

What is the time period between each refresh interval?
I had loaded stories today, and I was scrolling through them, selected one,
read a few comments, and when I went back to look at the feed, it within
seconds loaded new stories and I had lost my position.

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[Maximus-]

Scrolling position is ruined when you have loaded more than one page of stories, and then it refreshes and only loads one page of stories.

[deyton]

Repro:

1. Kill news:yc or start a fresh Xcode build
2. Infinite scroll down a few pages on home tab
3. Select a submission
4. Go Back
5. Lose your place because only the first page is loaded

Your place is saved every other time, from what I can see, just not the very first time after a fresh app launch.