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sebilasse avatar sebilasse commented on June 26, 2024

p.s.: the font-weight: 300; is now closer to the "perfect original" 400.
p.p.s.:
Ok, google > Is there a reason not to version webfonts ?

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davelab6 avatar davelab6 commented on June 26, 2024

Currently TypeKit is designed so that when you integrate a web font via their API, you will never be auto-upgraded, and Google Fonts is designed you are always auto-upgraded.

The reason Google Fonts is like that is it intends to offer the most easy, no-brainer, path to using web fonts, and banks on users trust that upgrades will be beneficial.

@EbenSorkin has redesigned Merriweather and believes the new weight is an improvement. If you think it isn't you should tell him, and he may update the font again to be lighter.

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davelab6 avatar davelab6 commented on June 26, 2024

Ah, indeed @sebilasse you already did contact Eben on the Merriweather issue comment - sorry, wasn't paying enough attention to usernames =)

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sebilasse avatar sebilasse commented on June 26, 2024

@davelab6 And ;) Answered on the original thread and you already gave an answer to the answer here:

Currently TypeKit is designed so that when you integrate a web font via their API, you will never be auto-upgraded, and Google Fonts is designed you are always auto-upgraded.

Did not know that.

If you think it isn't you should tell him

Did that.

👍 and thanks for your reply.

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kfranqueiro avatar kfranqueiro commented on June 26, 2024

On Windows the new weight still doesn't look bad. I'd argue it's actually better visibility-wise at least for black-on-white text. I can see where the 15px white-on-dark text looks a little heavy though, especially on Mac.

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sebilasse avatar sebilasse commented on June 26, 2024

Below is a screenshot on Mac where
the 300 has ligature issues and
the 400 appears "bold"

merriweather / mac

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davelab6 avatar davelab6 commented on June 26, 2024

@kfranqueiro thanks for offering your thoughts on this, will help @EbenSorkin make the call

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davelab6 avatar davelab6 commented on June 26, 2024

@sebilasse looks like edge web fonts doesn't automatically update so you can switch to the older version with them, then switch back on monday afternoon to avoid the Firefox 44 release problems. Example, http://jsbin.com/kimilitihe/1/edit?html,output

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sebilasse avatar sebilasse commented on June 26, 2024

@dylans @kfranqueiro - fyi – @davelab6 tweeted:

@EbenSorkin has made it better for windows users, and mac font rendering is always a bit darker than win

Conclusion: While the old version looked fine with the default OS X font rendering the new version definitely looks better in OS X with:

-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;
-moz-osx-font-smoothing: grayscale;

It is closer to the windows weights, still a bit heavier but fine for my taste ...
btw: Did not call it "a fix" ...

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dylans avatar dylans commented on June 26, 2024

Thanks @sebilasse @kfranqueiro @davelab6 @EbenSorkin.

On a Mac, I would normally expect paragraph text to have a font weight comparable to:

Intern website

You could argue that font weight might be a touch light. That said, with the changes to Merriweather, by default (as noted above), everything looks bolded:

Dojo website

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sebilasse avatar sebilasse commented on June 26, 2024

@dylans
Ok, I agree.
What you expect is now merriweather light

font-weight: 300;
-webkit-font-smoothing: subpixel-antialiased; /* default */

☝️ That weight is pretty similar to articles in theguardian.com ...
👇 while

font-weight: 400;
-webkit-font-smoothing: antialiased;

is pretty similar to articles in zeit.de ...


I would be curious to see a windows (edge) screenshot with 300 !
If it is not to thin, why not switch to 300 (ligatures will be fixed soon hopefully) ?

reason: on the road and my MBP you saw in Amsterdam is no more. Since yesterday it's now just a display and I got a new one where I have to install windows on an external disk later (because of apples new "clump together" policy ;)

see also
http://redaktor.circinus.uberspace.de/css/300/
http://redaktor.circinus.uberspace.de/css/400/

[edit]
Asked 6 people (not representative but interesting)
Three (dealing with the graphic industries somehow) voted for thin
Three (daddy and two friends) voted for thick
What would Otto say ?

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dylans avatar dylans commented on June 26, 2024

I believe this has been fixed.

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