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feng-1985 avatar feng-1985 commented on May 3, 2024

从(8.28)过渡到(8.31)

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Ye980226 avatar Ye980226 commented on May 3, 2024

从(8.28)过渡到(8.31)

同学您好,(8.29)的式子减去(8.30)的的式子,是等于(h_i(x)-H(x))^2的,也就能得到(8.31)的式子,可以类比回归中的TSS,ESS,RSS(Total,Explain,Residual)

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johnmaster avatar johnmaster commented on May 3, 2024

@Sm1les (8.15)十分感谢!^_^

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Sm1les avatar Sm1les commented on May 3, 2024

@johnmaster 同学你好,(8.15)是一个定义式来的,对于这种定义式通常只需知道就好,可以不必深究,你是希望我们补充哪方面的内容呢?

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johnmaster avatar johnmaster commented on May 3, 2024

懂了,我自己看了一会,就看明白了。不好意思,打扰你了!不过十分感谢你的回复!

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ChineseTaoist avatar ChineseTaoist commented on May 3, 2024

8.12中为什么f2(x) = ht2(x) = 1啊,怎么推出8.13的啊

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johnmaster avatar johnmaster commented on May 3, 2024

@ChineseTaoist 这俩的值都属于{-1,+1}。

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superraincc avatar superraincc commented on May 3, 2024

还是不太理解(8.31),为什么只有一半的加权,可以麻烦写一下过程吗

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Ye980226 avatar Ye980226 commented on May 3, 2024

@superraincc 其实是都有加权的,只是后面那一项是一个常数,\sum_{i=0}^T wi*E(H|x)=E(H|x)

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superraincc avatar superraincc commented on May 3, 2024

@superraincc 其实是都有加权的,只是后面那一项是一个常数,\sum_{i=0}^T wi*E(H|x)=E(H|x)

啊明白了,谢谢!

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mxl1990 avatar mxl1990 commented on May 3, 2024

还是不明白,式8.29与8.30相减,a^2-b^2不是=(a-b)(a+b),也就是(H(x)-hi(x))(2f(x)-hi(x)-H(x))吗,跟8.31的形式还是不同吧

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demolpc avatar demolpc commented on May 3, 2024

我认为对l_{exp}(H|D)的解释不对,这个式子就是对x的分布求期望,结果应该是不包含x的。只不过它的最小化可以通过对x逐点最小化来达到。
ps:我认为书中有的地方就是不太严谨,没必要强行去解释。

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Ye980226 avatar Ye980226 commented on May 3, 2024

c60e3d9b09d303e3e60116531dead3e
@mxl1990 同学你好,最近比较忙,不好意思,你看下这个能理解不

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Ye980226 avatar Ye980226 commented on May 3, 2024

@demolpc 同学,我觉得这里含了x只是中间的计算式,并不是最终结果

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demolpc avatar demolpc commented on May 3, 2024

@Ye980226 对啊,求期望后l_{exp}(H|D)是一个和x无关的值,但是网页中l_{exp}(H|D)得到的却是和一个具体的x有关。

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mxl1990 avatar mxl1990 commented on May 3, 2024

c60e3d9b09d303e3e60116531dead3e
@mxl1990 同学你好,最近比较忙,不好意思,你看下这个能理解不

ok,辛苦啦,我已经看懂了,还要加上条件\[H(x) = \sum\limits_{i = 1}^T {{w_i}{h_i}(x)} \]以及
\[\sum\limits_{i = 1}^T {{w_i}} = 1\]

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Ye980226 avatar Ye980226 commented on May 3, 2024

@demolpc 是的,如果H(x),f(x)都确定的话,应该是个确定的式子,但是这里H(x)相当于自变量了,并不确定,所以它后面是对H(x)求了偏导

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 avatar commented on May 3, 2024

为什么8.12式求期望时ht没有加权重系数呢αt?

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Ye980226 avatar Ye980226 commented on May 3, 2024

@HAI-U 同学,来迟了,抱歉 ̄□ ̄||你可以8.12上面说了一句话,理想的h_t可以纠正H_{t-1}的全部错误,所以不加权重系数。我认为如果权重系数α_t不随着x的变化而变化是个常数的话,对8.14的式子没有影响。

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yanglei-github avatar yanglei-github commented on May 3, 2024

批注 2019-10-29 173108
关于8.5,期望求解应该要对x求和吧,感觉第二个等式少了求和符号,但是如果有求和符号,后面对H求导结果就多了一个求和符号?

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Ye980226 avatar Ye980226 commented on May 3, 2024

@yanglei-github 事件{f(x)=1}和{f(x)=-1}已经是完备事件组了,求期望是 权重(概率)*值,然后P(f(x)=1|x)是概率,e^(-H(x)f(x))为值,又知道f(x)=1,那么值就是e^(-H(x)),然后把P(f(x)=-1|x)也加上就出现了上述式子

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 avatar commented on May 3, 2024

请问8.17式中2后面的两个竖线的数学意义是什么呢?没有看到这种表示呢

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Sm1les avatar Sm1les commented on May 3, 2024

@HAI-U 同学你好,这是指示函数,具体定义参见第1章的公式1.1

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yanglei-github avatar yanglei-github commented on May 3, 2024

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Sm1les avatar Sm1les commented on May 3, 2024

@yanglei-github 同学你好,你是想给我们的项目提交相关内容是吗?

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Sm1les avatar Sm1les commented on May 3, 2024

@yanglei-github 好的,非常欢迎,我的邮箱是[email protected] :)

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yudayuta avatar yudayuta commented on May 3, 2024

请问公式8-9这一步怎么得到呐?
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archwalker avatar archwalker commented on May 3, 2024

@yudayuta 你好, e^{-f(x)\alpha_t h_t(x)} = e^{-\alpha_t}e^{f(x)h_t(x)} 注意到f(x) 和 h_t(x) 的取值范围均是{-1, +1} ,因此f(x)h_t(x) 只有两种可能,当f(x) = h_t(x)的时候 f(x)h_t(x) = 1,当f(x) \neq h_t(x) 的时候 f(x)h_t(x) = -1,带入上式即得结果

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yudayuta avatar yudayuta commented on May 3, 2024

@archwalker 懂了,谢谢!

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Penuoz avatar Penuoz commented on May 3, 2024

南瓜书(8.6)那里,‘因此’的上一行是如何推到‘因此’的下一行的qaq不太明白D(x_i)怎么就没了的?

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archwalker avatar archwalker commented on May 3, 2024

南瓜书(8.6)那里,‘因此’的上一行是如何推到‘因此’的下一行的qaq不太明白D(x_i)怎么就没了的?

您好,这里推导中存在错误,已修正,请查阅。

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s0rel avatar s0rel commented on May 3, 2024

您好,我在看西瓜书第八章的推导,我觉得式8.3是不是有点问题,您那边好像把\epsilon\delta弄混了,我仿照您的思路自己写了一个,您看看有没有问题
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另外,我想请问一下,红线部分到绿线部分就是小于号两边同时减去了(1- \epsilon)T,请问这样做的合理性是什么,这是在一个概率里面

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archwalker avatar archwalker commented on May 3, 2024

您好,我在看西瓜书第八章的推导,我觉得式8.3是不是有点问题,您那边好像把\epsilon\delta弄混了,我仿照您的思路自己写了一个,您看看有没有问题
图片
另外,我想请问一下,红线部分到绿线部分就是小于号两边同时减去了(1- \epsilon)T,请问这样做的合理性是什么,这是在一个概率里面

您好,这里存在typos,已修正,谢谢反馈!
概率里面的式子描述的是事件,这两个事件是等价的,因此合理。

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jianglonger avatar jianglonger commented on May 3, 2024

您好,请问公式8.6得证明中,结论中的p(f(xi) =1|xi)这个事件要总么理解啊?是理解为在选定xi得情况下f(xi)=1得概率么?这么理解得话不是100%或者0%了么?另外,huang'se黄色方框中得那个符号是什么意思,我的概率论比较渣,抱歉了
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archwalker avatar archwalker commented on May 3, 2024

您好,请问公式8.6得证明中,结论中的p(f(xi) =1|xi)这个事件要总么理解啊?是理解为在选定xi得情况下f(xi)=1得概率么?这么理解得话不是100%或者0%了么?另外,huang'se黄色方框中得那个符号是什么意思,我的概率论比较渣,抱歉了
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我重新推导了一下,看看能不能帮助你理解

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EasyVector avatar EasyVector commented on May 3, 2024

您好,在最新的released版本中:https://github.com/datawhalechina/pumpkin-book/releases/tag/v1.0.1 有一处错误,在49页的公式8.6的一处推导中,没有求和符号,与https://datawhalechina.github.io/pumpkin-book/#/chapter8/chapter8 不一致,请您confirm一下,谢谢!

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Sm1les avatar Sm1les commented on May 3, 2024

@yuhuitech 同学你好,pdf是会略微有一点滞后的,累积到一定的错误后我们会更新pdf的

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EasyVector avatar EasyVector commented on May 3, 2024

@yuhuitech 同学你好,pdf是会略微有一点滞后的,累积到一定的错误后我们会更新pdf的

好的,谢谢!

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ZuoGangwei avatar ZuoGangwei commented on May 3, 2024

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还是那个问题,8.12解释里,“带入”应为“代入”。

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Sm1les avatar Sm1les commented on May 3, 2024

@ZuoGangwei 好的,收到,回头我们统一改掉

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zxh18754075532 avatar zxh18754075532 commented on May 3, 2024

式8.6推倒过程中涉及到的P(f(xi)=1|xi),这个概率是不是指当xi确定后,他真实标签为1的概率,那也就是说这个概率值是非0即1的?

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archwalker avatar archwalker commented on May 3, 2024

式8.6推倒过程中涉及到的P(f(xi)=1|xi),这个概率是不是指当xi确定后,他真实标签为1的概率,那也就是说这个概率值是非0即1的?
不是:南瓜书中写的很清晰,其表示在数据集D中进行一次随机抽样,使得f(x_i)=1的样本x_i被抽到的概率

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zxh18754075532 avatar zxh18754075532 commented on May 3, 2024

式8.6推倒过程中涉及到的P(f(xi)=1|xi),这个概率是不是指当xi确定后,他真实标签为1的概率,那也就是说这个概率值是非0即1的?
不是:南瓜书中写的很清晰,其表示在数据集D中进行一次随机抽样,使得f(x_i)=1的样本x_i被抽到的概率

那这样理解,就不是条件概率了呀。按照概率论的规范应该写成P(f(xi)=1 , xi),也就是交事件(抽到xi,且f(xi)=1)的概率才更符合上述理解呀。

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Niuwujia avatar Niuwujia commented on May 3, 2024

公式(8.5)到(8.6),式子本来是在对x求期望,结果一步就变出了x已知的条件概率,中间省了很多步吧;还有这里对H(x)求导可能是把H(x)当成一个泛函?这样的具体怎么求导可以说清楚吗

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AlexNovus avatar AlexNovus commented on May 3, 2024

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8.2.16 AdaBoost 的个人推导 里面这一段应该是 $\epsilon_t = 0$

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archwalker avatar archwalker commented on May 3, 2024

image 8.2.16 AdaBoost 的个人推导 里面这一段应该是 ϵt=0 吧

是的,这里是笔误,你的理解是对的

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Acumen7 avatar Acumen7 commented on May 3, 2024

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这里是两边同乘1/2吧

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Sm1les avatar Sm1les commented on May 3, 2024

image 这里是两边同乘1/2吧

是的,感谢同学的勘误,我们这就更正并登记到勘误表中

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