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Soadreqm avatar Soadreqm commented on June 18, 2024

Note that you can also find an ID card on a zombie scientist, disarm and move one of the teleporter pads, find a handheld teleporter, find the required books to craft an electohack, find high explosives capable of breaking the door, find a connection to the subway system, or find and install one of several CBMs that can be used to open, bypass or break the doors.

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NobleJake avatar NobleJake commented on June 18, 2024

Well, there might not be a subway, there might not be a room with a teleporter, there might not be an ID card from a scientist zombie, and even if you do find a CBM, you're forced to have the skill level or mutation to apply it, and it's extremely unlikely that you'll find a specific CBM that lets you walk through a wall or use a hydraulic muscle. Also, if it's a square-shaped lab, it may not even have a barracks where you can get explosives. The same goes for libraries to find books, and you'll need an electronic hacking device to get into these places without an ID card. But that's no good, because you need to read the book to unlock the recipe. Unfortunately, the book is in the locked library. If you are lucky, it'll work, but given the original placement of ID cards in lab finale, I don't think relying on these RNG to escape was the original intent.

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chaosvolt avatar chaosvolt commented on June 18, 2024

The microlabs at least aren't a problem because last I checked you can't start in those, at least in vanilla. Those don't even have finales. I agree that all the finales likely should have a card as insurance against weird RNG. I might see if I can check the finales and fix any missing cards later today.

In practice the finale keycard is technically the absolute last resort, since any character that can pass the combined filters of "can survive whatever's in the finale to loot it" and "can get past the turrets to reach the card reader at the entrance" can survive just about anything else a lab can throw at you, so they'd have free rein to explore the lab to find much less risky options to escape with.

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